Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: There's no volume of scripture as unstable or influx as the Pearl of Great Price. And in fact, in the 1970s, there was an apostle who tried to change the entire thing. This book of scripture seems to change, like all of the rules and how it was just eclectically and evolving, coming together. But I feel like understanding the history of the Pearl of Great Price is really key to understanding what an open canon means for Latter Day Saints and if we even could have new scripture in the future.
So welcome to Informed Saints. I'm Jasmine Rapley, this is Neal Rappley, Steven Smoot, and today we're talking about the tumultuous and wild story of how the Pearl of Great Price came together. And we're doing it with a resource that's kind of the first of its kind. This is a Pearl of Great Price study edition written by Stephen Smoot. And you have study Bibles, but I don't think we've ever had a study edition of the Pearl of Great Price. And there's a chapter on the evolution of how the scripture came together. So one of the things that most people first notice when they open up the Pearl of Gray Price is how eclectic it is. Like you've got a couple things of ancient scripture with the Book of Moses and Book of Abraham, but then you've got things from church history, like Joseph Smith history and then the Articles of Faith, which is kind of like the closest thing Latter Day Saints have decreeds. And it just kind of feels all over the place. So Stephen, how did we get the Pearl of Great Price?
[00:01:16] Speaker B: Okay, how did we get the red headed stepchild of the Canon? And I said it with all affection. No, I love the Great Price. I say that just as a fun little joke. I've taught Pearl of Price classes at byu. They're some of my favorite to teach because you have to dip in different areas. Old World Bible, you know, Early Restoration, modern history, that kind of thing. So how the heck did we end up with this eclectic book, the Pearl, Gay Price? It all starts with a guy named Joseph Smith, right? We all know Joseph Smith. During his lifetime, Joseph Smith produced many different things. Writings, revelations, translations, narrative histories, things like that. Okay, the problem is, you know, except for like the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, most of the stuff Joseph Smith is publishing, like in the newspaper or in serial publications in different venues, right?
So if you are a Latter Day Saint in the 1840s or 1850s and you want to access, well, Joseph Smith's history, about his first vision accounts or something, you can't get in the Doctrine and Covenants. You have to go to the Times and Seasons or the Millennial Star, some.
[00:02:18] Speaker C: Old issue of a newspaper.
[00:02:20] Speaker B: Of a newspaper that you may or may not have actually ever gotten your hands on. Right. Depending on circulation.
[00:02:25] Speaker C: And keep in mind you can't Google it.
[00:02:28] Speaker B: That's right.
[00:02:29] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:02:29] Speaker A: This is in 2025 where you can look up the general conference talks.
[00:02:32] Speaker C: It's not super accessible unless you like saved a copy of that newspaper issue or your neighbor did or something like that.
[00:02:38] Speaker B: Right. So if you want that access to that. Exactly as Neil said, you're in trouble. So in 1851, an apostle named Franklin D. Richards had a brilliant idea. He had a five head idea for how we can get this material to the saints. Let's compile it in a pamphlet. That's basically the origins of the Pearl Gay price.
[00:02:59] Speaker C: And compiling something into a pamphlet is like the 19th century version of like let's post it online or something.
Let's get better circulation, distribution.
[00:03:09] Speaker A: This is a pamphlet. How big are we talking?
[00:03:11] Speaker B: Well, I have a replica of an 1851 pearl gate price.
[00:03:15] Speaker A: That looks like a book to me.
[00:03:16] Speaker B: Well, it's because of the printing. An actual one if you see it's pretty thin. Right, Right.
Actually the original, it's not actually printed on like covers. It's like in wrappers we call them. Right.
So like it's just like a little pamphlet with little paper wraps on it. Right.
[00:03:32] Speaker A: Do you have every edition of the Pearl Gray Price?
[00:03:34] Speaker B: I have everyone except. So this is a replica of a first edition because a first edition goes for like $20,000. Yeah. So first editions are pretty scarce. So they're kind of expensive. So I have a. But all the others, these are originals that we can talk about. So I do have originals. Yeah. So 1851, Franklin D. Richards. He gets the idea. Let's compile this. Let's bring the mountain to Muhammad as we say. Right. And so we will compile this material and into one little accessible format for the saints in Great Britain. Remember, this is kind of funny. Why not Utah? They've been in Utah for like four years now at this point and they don't have a printing press. They're barely building.
[00:04:10] Speaker C: They're still building.
[00:04:11] Speaker B: They're still building stuff. They don't even have the capacity to print stuff in Utah. It's not going to be. They'll eventually get the newspaper, but that's it for like a couple decades until they can actually print books. So all the book printing is happening in Liverpool the church's European headquarters. Right. So the first edition Pilgrim Prize comes out in Liverpool and in the, in the preface, in the introduction to it, Franklin D. Richards has explicitly. We've had a lot of people asking how we can get our hands on this material from Joseph Smith. So we're going to republish it in a convenient form for members in Great Britain so we can run through quickly what we want to some of the material in it. Because today we've got Book of Moses. So that's Joseph Smith's translation or revision of the opening chapters of Genesis. Book of Abraham. Right. The translation of the Egyptian papyri. We've got Joseph smith Matthew. So JST, that's JST, chapter 24 of Matthew. Right. We got Joseph Smith history, that's his 1838 history, that has the first vision account that got published in the Times and Seasons and the Articles of Faith, that's our modern pearl gate price that everybody knows and loves. Right.
[00:05:14] Speaker A: How different is the first one?
[00:05:16] Speaker B: It's pretty different in some ways. So all of that stuff that we have today is in the first edition, but there's more in the first edition. Okay, so.
[00:05:25] Speaker A: So we've lost Scripture.
[00:05:26] Speaker B: We've lost scripture. Well, kind of. Not really. So in addition to all that, we also have material from, for example, the Doctrine and Covenants in the first edition pearl gate price.
[00:05:35] Speaker C: Oh really?
[00:05:36] Speaker B: And then finally it ends. We have the Articles of Faith. Right.
That's from the Times and Seasons, from the Wentworth Letter and. And then it ends with a poem by Elder John Jakes. O say what is truth?
[00:05:47] Speaker A: Interesting.
[00:05:48] Speaker B: That's now in our hymn book, right?
[00:05:50] Speaker A: Oh, wow.
[00:05:50] Speaker C: Yeah. I think it's actually worth maybe noting here that if you looked at a table of contents of the 1851 Pearl of a great price, even though it's got all the same content or a lot of the same content, it does look different. It's arranged differently.
[00:06:03] Speaker B: Yeah, it's arranged differently. It actually starts with like the prophecy of Enoch.
[00:06:07] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:06:07] Speaker B: So that's like Moses 7. Exactly.
[00:06:09] Speaker C: Right, exactly. Instead of like the book of Moses, you have extracts from Prophecy of Enoch, right?
[00:06:14] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:06:14] Speaker C: And then the words of God, which he spake unto Moses. And that's got like Moses one through four, ish, five, you know, other parts of the Book of Moses, you do have the Book of Abraham facsimiles. And then Abraham 1 through 5 looks more or less the same. An extract from a translation of the Bible. That's what we now call Joseph Smith Matthew. Right. So your, your table of contents is going to look different, even though everything that's currently in the pearl of great price is there.
[00:06:39] Speaker B: Yeah, that's crazy. I'll show it to this next one. But there's something fun about the facsimiles that we'll get to in a second, especially facsimile two. Okay, so that. That's 1851, first edition.
[00:06:48] Speaker A: Well, I just want to say with. Oh, what is truth? I'm gonna just put it on record right now. I think it'd be so sad if that one gets removed from the hymn book because they all have been knocked down two pegs.
[00:06:57] Speaker B: Yes, exactly.
[00:06:58] Speaker A: Canonized scripture, then it was a hymn.
I hope it stays.
[00:07:02] Speaker C: It's worth noting. 1851 Pearl of Great price is not canonized.
[00:07:05] Speaker A: Oh, okay.
[00:07:06] Speaker B: Yeah, we're getting there, though. That's actually a good point.
[00:07:08] Speaker A: That's actually a really interesting point.
[00:07:09] Speaker B: I did not real pearl gate Price in 1851. The elder Richards compiles. It's not being considered scripture in the sense of. There's no. Like, this is the new standard work. It's the new canonical book. Right. It's seen as a useful tool for members to have access to Joseph Smith's revelations and writings.
[00:07:29] Speaker A: Like adding a section to the gospel library.
[00:07:31] Speaker B: Something like. Yeah, yeah. Actually kind of. Yes. So this gets us to. We're going to Fast forward to 1870.
We're now in Utah. Lots of British saints have come from the British Isles over to Utah. And what have they brought with them? They brought with them the pearl grapes. And so almost immediately, saints in Utah, as soon as they have access, they love it and they're quoting it. They're citing it.
And they're citing it, like, de facto authoritative as a source of like, doctrine. The closest analog I can think of is how we cite the family proclamation today.
Like the way, even though it's not in the canon, Latter Day Saints, top and bottom, are citing the family proclamation as though it were canon. This is authoritative teaching and doctrine for the church. Right. The pearl grape price is following that Trend in the 1850s and 60s.
[00:08:19] Speaker A: So this is like the best British import. Before Harry Potter.
[00:08:22] Speaker B: Yes. And after Earl Grey tea and before Harry Potter, this is the best thing. So this leads us to 1878. There's enough demand for the pearl great price among Utah Saints from their friends and relatives who have come from Great Britain. And that Orson Pratt and other apostles is commissioned by Brigham Young. In the early 1870s, they're commissioned to do New Book of Mormon, New Doctrine and covenants. Right.
The DNC comes out in 1876.
The Book of Mormon comes out, and I think 1878, same time as a new edition of the Pearl. Great price. This is the second edition, the Utah or the Salt Lake edition. And this is an original, right?
[00:09:00] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:09:00] Speaker B: Shout out to Reed Moon. Moon's Rare Books is who I bought this from. So Orson Pratt will do this edition in 1878.
[00:09:09] Speaker A: He's an apostle at the time.
[00:09:10] Speaker B: He's an apostle, yeah.
[00:09:11] Speaker C: And since we were talking about how thin it is, you can see a little better how thin an original edition is here and how it really is kind of more of a pamphlet, maybe a thick pamphlet, but it's more of a pamphlet than a book.
[00:09:24] Speaker B: Right. So Orson Pratt does this edition. What does he do? So he basically standardizes more or less the text, what it is now. Okay, so he standardizes the Book of Moses into what it is today. So he rearranges it to what it is today. Interestingly, he's going to standardize the text to match the RLDS inspired version of the Bible, what we call the JST.
So in the 1860s is when the RLDS church had published the Joseph Smith translation, basically, and there was a lot of suspicion about, can we trust this thing? Because it's coming from the RLDS Church. Orson Pratt correctly intuited and had the sort of the gut feeling that, no, I think we can rely on this to give us an accurate presentation of the text that Joseph Smith produced. And so our Progate price gets standardized to match the. The reading in the RLDS inspired version.
[00:10:11] Speaker A: Okay, forgive me for maybe going off on a little tangent here, but I'm really curious by what you said. You talked about how in the first edition, it was just, like, excerpts about Enoch, which is chapter seven in the book of Moses today, and how Orson Pratt standardize the book of Moses. See, in my assumption, I've always assumed, like, okay, the Book of Moses is Joseph Smith's translation of those early chapters of Genesis. So I don't know, he must have just, like, had a Bible open, been writing stuff down, and then there was just like a manuscript of the Book of Moses as we have it today. Is that the case? Or was it in different orders and Orson Pratt had to, like, figure out the order? Like, can you clarify?
[00:10:47] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I can, briefly. So what you described is basically accurate. The way Joseph Smith produces the jst. He, Oliver Cowgy purchases Finney Cooperstown by Bible. I own a copy, thank you very much. It's a fun Bible to collect. Finney Cooperstown Bible.
[00:11:01] Speaker C: He.
[00:11:01] Speaker B: He purchases one and they use that as the base for the jst. And it gets a little complicated because they have both, like, loose leaf manuscripts they're working on, and also they're making changes in the actual Bible Oliver Cowdery purchases. But we do end up with a Book of Moses manuscript. We end up with two of them, actually.
OT1 and OT2. They're called by JST scholarship. So, yes, we have an actual Book of Moses manuscript. Those stay with Emma after the martyrdom and after the saints go to Utah. Right. She retains the Joseph Smith material, translation material. That's why the RLDS church is able to publish it in the 1860s into what we now know today, basically as the JST.
Elder Richards, when he published it in the. In the Progate Price, it seems he was based. Publishing it based on already published excerpts from the Book of Moses that had appeared and like the evening and morning star or the Millennial star or the times and seasons. Right. So that's why the order is different, is he's going off of what is at hand in the periodicals. Orson Pratt can standardize it based on the RLDS edition. Based on the manuscript.
[00:12:04] Speaker A: Okay, interesting. That actually is really helpful.
[00:12:05] Speaker C: Thank you. One thing I'd like to comment, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that Moses 1 was like a separate vision from the rest of the OT manuscripts. Like he's starting on the. On the translation and he has this vision and we. I think in. It's called the Visions of Moses or something.
[00:12:25] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:12:25] Speaker C: It's this. And it's this separate vision that Joseph Smith has where he sees Moses on the mountain and he has this revelation of the text of Moses 1 now.
[00:12:33] Speaker A: Which tracks, since it doesn't really correlate to anything we find in Genesis.
[00:12:36] Speaker C: Exactly. And then that's now been appended to. Affixed to the writings of Moses, which are Moses 2 through 8.
[00:12:43] Speaker B: Basically. Yeah.
So there's a complicated textual history behind this, which is why I think it's important to have access to some of this material to keep track of different textual readings.
We can recommend Kent Jackson and Scott Fallring and Robert Matthews. They were pioneers in presenting the manuscripts. I think Kent Jackson still can rightly be called probably one of the foremost JST experts living today. Yeah, absolutely. They're available on the Joseph Smith Papers website, so you can see the manuscripts for yourself. There's. And in my study edition, I just highlight significant textual variance between these manuscripts and editions.
[00:13:16] Speaker A: So Moses 1 wasn't actually Moses 1 as part of this standalone manuscript. It was just like it was cobbled together.
[00:13:22] Speaker C: Yeah, well, well, Moses one was one a whole text, but it was separate from the actual Joseph Smith translation of the Bible. And it's been appended to it in creating the Book of Moses. Wow.
[00:13:34] Speaker A: I can't believe I never do that.
[00:13:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
So other fun stuff in the second edition.
Our polygamy skeptic friends are going to love this.
Section 132 of the Doctrine and Covenants, a revelation on plural marriage. Fun fact. That appears in both the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl grape Price. That's how super into it Orson Pratt and these guys are in the 1870s. It first appears in the 1876 Doctrine and Covenants and then it appears here in the 1878 Pearl. Great price. And so you have, you have that DNC material. Orson Pratt retains the other DNC material that was in the first edition. Right. He just kind of streamlines it. Yeah. By the way, he calls it a revelation on the eternity of the marriage covenant, including plurality of wives. That's section 132 appears in there. So we have that. So we have cross pollination in the Doctrine of Covenants, basically in the Progate price. We have sections in both or excerpts in both at this time. So what's fun about old editions of the Progate price is with the facsimiles, specifically facsimile, because they are fold outs. Oh my gosh, look at this. Let's see if I can get the shot for the camera. So they are. They have these nice little fold outs of facsimile 2 and facsimile 3. I've seen some where they have a little like fold out for facsimile three as well.
Right.
[00:14:43] Speaker A: I'm loving this.
[00:14:44] Speaker B: So this is great. But by the way, this is why finding an old pearl gate price with the fold out intact increases its value significantly. Because a lot of these older ones, the fold out has been damaged. So I was nice to get a nice copy. That's pretty fun about the facsimile. So even the facsimiles have undergone some modification in past editions of the Progate price.
The ones we know today from our current Progate price are based on the times and seasons printing that Joseph Smith oversaw. However, with each subsequent reprinting, the printers made some alterations where you can see noticeable differences. So that's another thing to keep in mind with a study edition of the Progate Price is to note variants in like the facsimiles or Things like that.
[00:15:22] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right. And so now.
So this 1878 edition, this one is canonized, right?
[00:15:30] Speaker B: Two years later.
[00:15:30] Speaker C: Two years later. Okay, good news, Jasmine. Oh, say what is truth is still in the pearl of great high school.
[00:15:36] Speaker B: It's still there.
[00:15:37] Speaker C: So it did get canonized.
[00:15:38] Speaker B: It did get canonized. We have a canonical hymn or poem. Actually. It's in the same session of general conference that John Taylor in the new first presidency are sustained October of 1880. And if you read the minutes of the general conference session, I think it's George Q. Cannon gets up and says, by the way, everybody, we have a new edition of the Pearl Gate price to go along with the new edition of the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants that Orson Pratt has done. All in favor, please manifest it as to accept it as scripture.
[00:16:04] Speaker A: Right?
[00:16:05] Speaker B: That's it. And that's it. And that's how you get new scripture. We have. So we have the canonization process.
We can later. We'll get to this in a second. In 1976. So, okay, that's 1880. You with me so far now it is scripture. It's been sort of standardized, the content. Orson Pratt has made it a little more streamlined. It. Let's fast Forward now to 1902. This edition here done by our good friend, we love him, James E. Talmadge, author of Jesus the Christ, who at this time is not an apostle, but he has been asked by the first Presidency to produce a new edition of the Pearl. Great price. This is the edition basically that we use Today is the 1902 edition by James E. Talmadge. And what I mean by that is Elder Talmage went through and. And he deleted all the material from the Doctrine of Covenants. He said, you know what? It's not necessary to have that in here.
[00:16:54] Speaker A: Duplicate.
[00:16:55] Speaker B: Duplicate. Also, it's a lot easier to print books now. The church can print books a lot easier now than they could in the past. So no reason to duplicate D and C material. So he drops that.
Sadly, he drops osay, what is truth? No, he gets rid of the song. Yeah, it's a great song. It's a banger.
[00:17:09] Speaker A: At what point does it get into our hymn book? Do you know?
[00:17:12] Speaker B: Oh, I think it's.
I don't know the history of the hymns, honestly. Not as well as I know the history of the book.
[00:17:17] Speaker A: So, like, was there overlap between when it was canonized and in the hymn book, or did it, like, appear later?
[00:17:22] Speaker C: We'll have to maybe prep for an episode on the history of the Hymn.
[00:17:25] Speaker B: Book on the hymn book, maybe while.
[00:17:26] Speaker C: I mean, it's a timely topic, we're getting new hymns.
[00:17:29] Speaker A: So that's why.
[00:17:30] Speaker B: And here's the thing, there are collectors who their whole thing is collecting Mormon hymn books. Right. Because there's a whole history of the hymns. Right. And so I know people who like Their thing is I want every edition of the hymns that have ever been done. So I'm not sure exactly, but what I do know is Elder Talmage, he will standardize the text. He'll give us chapters and verses on. I'll hold up sort of here, you can see, we'll put it on the screen.
So that's why my study edition is based on this edition, basically because in all material respects, it's the same thing as the one we use today. And so you can kind of get away with using the public domain text by Talmage.
Another interesting change made in this one, Elder Talmadge adjusts the wording to the fourth article of faith.
So as published by Joseph Smith in the Times and Seasons, the third and fourth.
[00:18:11] Speaker A: Let me see if I remember this.
[00:18:13] Speaker B: Okay. What's the third article of faith?
[00:18:14] Speaker A: Oh, third or fourth?
[00:18:15] Speaker B: Well, start with the fourth because they kind of go together. So what's the fourth article of faith?
[00:18:18] Speaker A: We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are first, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, second, repentance, third, baptism by immersion for the remission of sins, and fourth, the laying on the hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[00:18:30] Speaker B: Bravo. Well done.
[00:18:31] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:18:31] Speaker D: Yay.
[00:18:31] Speaker A: Okay, well, I just want to make sure we compare. What's the change?
[00:18:34] Speaker B: The changes in 1842 in the Wentworth letter, the wording from Joseph Smith is. Number three is we believe that through the atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel. Number four is we believe these ordinances are first, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, second, repentance, third, baptism, etc.
[00:18:55] Speaker A: So they're kind of in tandem in that addition.
[00:18:57] Speaker B: Yes. And it's these ordinances include faith and repentance. According to Joseph Smith, by the early 20th century. That's confusing because ordinance now has taken on the meaning in the Church of basically what we'd call a sacrament, a ritual, a rite. Okay. And every Latter Day Saint today knows ordinances are baptism and confirmation and going to the temple and the sacrament. We don't think of faith and repentance as ordinances.
[00:19:21] Speaker A: Right.
[00:19:21] Speaker B: The reason for that being is the linguistic evolution of that phrase by Talmage's Time had become standardized in the 1840s. An ordinance is just like a rule or a regulation, basically like a city ordinance.
[00:19:32] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. I was going to say you can. You can, you know.
[00:19:35] Speaker A: So one of the laws of heaven is faith and.
[00:19:37] Speaker B: Faith and repentance.
[00:19:38] Speaker C: Sure.
[00:19:38] Speaker B: This is also why. Quick little tangent.
When Joseph Smith says, like, the ordinances should never be changed. Right. He's not talking about you can never change the ceremony or how we do the ceremony. He's saying the undergirding foundational laws that God gives cannot be changed. Right, right.
[00:19:55] Speaker A: Wow, that really does kind of paradigm shift how I understand three with four and I never.
[00:20:00] Speaker B: And they go together that way. So Talmadge is going to do a 1902. In 1920, the church will do a new. They'll overhaul the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl Great Price. They'll publish them all together in 1920. Here we have our 1920 printing of the Pearl Great Price. The only real difference is they're going to do it in double columns. We all love double columns. That's what our scriptures are today.
[00:20:20] Speaker A: Well, humans love double columns because apparently if the line is too long, it's harder to read.
[00:20:25] Speaker B: It's hard to read. So.
[00:20:25] Speaker D: And.
[00:20:26] Speaker B: And also this is how Bibles are being printed all over, you know, the Christian world. And so they're wanting to sort of standardize it that way. It's also going. We're going to add an index, we're going to add some footnotes and, you know, some citations, things like that. So for the next, like 60 years, this is the Pearl of Great Price. From about pretty thin, so. Pretty thin, right. I kind of miss the fact that the church used to print just the pearl price. I kind of wish we did that. Right.
[00:20:50] Speaker A: Lovely piece.
[00:20:51] Speaker B: So for about 50 to 60 years, this is our Pearl of Great price. Okay. The one. The Talmage edition until 1976.
Okay. April 1976. And we can show the clip here. N. Eldon Tanner, he gets up at general conference during the sustaining of the officers. And he says, and we'll splice it in here.
[00:21:10] Speaker D: President Kimball has asked me to read a very important resolution for sustaining vote at a meeting of the Council of the First Presidency in Quorum of the Twelve held in the Salt Lake Temple on March 25, 1976.
Approval was given to add to the Pearl of Great Price the two following.
First, a vision of the celestial kingdom given to Joseph Smith, the prophet in Kirtland Temple on January 21, 1836, which deals with the Salvation of those who die without a knowledge of the gospel.
Second, a vision given to President Joseph F. Smith in Salt Lake city, Utah on October 3, 1918, showing the visit of the Lord Jesus Christ in the spirit world and setting forth the doctrine of the redemption of the dead.
It is proposed that we sustain and approve this action and adopt these revelations as part of the standard works of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
All in favor, please manifest it contrary if there be any by the same sign.
Thank you, President. The voting seems to be unanimous in the affirmative.
[00:22:22] Speaker B: Basically, he says the first presidency in the quorum of the 12 have decided to include two new revelations in the Pearl Grade price. They are Joseph Smith's vision of the celestial kingdom and Joseph F. Smith's vision of the spirit world, what we now call Section 137 and 138 of the Doctrine and Covenants. Those first appear in the Pearl Gate price. And what's fun is. And I have told people anecdotally, when I show them this, they say I was there. They were handing these out outside the conference. Not the conference center, the tabernacle on Temple Square. They were handing out little excerpts that you put you stick into your scriptures into your Pearl Grape price.
[00:22:57] Speaker A: So is this before DNC138?
[00:23:00] Speaker B: Yeah, so they initially are.
[00:23:03] Speaker C: This is their canonization.
[00:23:04] Speaker A: But it's before they were the Doctrine and Covenants. But they are first introduced as being part of the Pearl Grade prize.
[00:23:09] Speaker B: Yes, that's right. Little excerpts. And then I have printed editions from this time where they're printed in there. So you can either get the insert or you can go get a new copy printed in. So that's kind of fun that you would literally just slip this in there. And these were approved editions by the first presidency in the 12th. So 1976, that's our next big major change.
Three years later in 1979 is when those sections will be moved to the Doctrine Covenants. Those visions. So that's when we get.
[00:23:34] Speaker C: They had a very short life.
[00:23:36] Speaker B: They had short life in the progate price because what they're doing is. And here's a copy I have here. This is 1981, right? Is when they do the new revamped. They do the Bible in 1979 and they do the triple combination. 1981, and they decide to move the two visions from Joseph Smith and Joseph F. Smith to the Doctrine and Covenants.
[00:23:54] Speaker C: I noticed that that is not a triple combination.
[00:23:56] Speaker B: That's a double.
[00:23:56] Speaker C: Double combination. I've never seen one of those before.
[00:23:59] Speaker B: I don't know if you've seen these before. I know they had the little pocket version, but they used to do double combinations. So you get all sorts of fun sort of, you know, combinations. Do you get secret combinations? I don't know. You get all sorts of fun combinations of either standalone or two of them or all three together.
So our 1981 edition, that's the edition we use today with some minor adjustments in 2013. Right.
So that's in a nutshell, our history of the Pearl of great price. And in my study edition, I have appendices that track all this content. So you can know which edition had which content. Right.
[00:24:32] Speaker C: I was using his appendix during this discussion. That's how I sounded.
[00:24:35] Speaker B: So that's how you sounded. So smart. Yes, absolutely.
Okay, here's the big bombshell secret, ladies and gentlemen. You're seeing it on Informed Saints for the first time. I've shown people this when they come over to my house and they, you know, look at my collection or whatever. But I think this is the first time I've shown it on camera. This is a fun little item. This is a pearl grade price that was never published.
But it was compiled by a fellow named Bruce R. McConkie, may have heard of the guy. Bruce R. McConkie Mormon Doctrine the Messiah Series Elder Bruce R. McConkey. The famous Bruce R. McConkie.
So what's the story behind this edition here? In the 1970s, there is a committee appointed to overhaul the Scriptures. Bruce McConkey, Boyd K. Packer, Thomas S. Monson, I think Marvin J. Ashton and some others. Right. They're the, they're the scripture committee to do what we. The scriptures we now have today are from this committee, basically. Okay.
Elder McConkie was sort of adventurous, let's say, and he had this idea, let's overhaul the pearl grade price to include all this new stuff that had either been decanonized or had never been canonized before. We want it in the canon. So he made a mock up and I can show it here and we'll show pictures. He actually did an actual physical mock up for presentation to the First Presidency in the 12 and other members of the scripture committee.
Versification, you know, chapters, pagination, all of that.
[00:25:59] Speaker A: Standardized fantasy football.
[00:26:00] Speaker B: This is Bruce or McConkey's fantasy football roster of what he wants in the pro gate prize.
[00:26:05] Speaker A: I think that's so cool.
[00:26:06] Speaker B: Should we go over what he wanted?
[00:26:08] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:26:08] Speaker B: And by the way, the story behind got this because it's never got published. I won't get into the weeds of it. But there was a private, sort of a private book publisher. He did sort of vanity projects for himself and his friends.
He somehow, I don't know exactly, got a copy of the McConkey, the McConkey edition. And he just published 20 copies for some of his friends. I happened to get one of them at an estate sale.
[00:26:29] Speaker C: Right.
[00:26:29] Speaker B: And so I came a kind of. I came across it by accident. I'm not cool enough to know this guy, but I tracked down the provenance.
I talked with people at the church history department and in the scripture department to verify that, yes, this is real. Right. Like, this is actually from Elder McConkie. What did he propose as worthwhile material from Joseph Smith to be canonized? Okay. Selections from the Book of Moses. That makes sense. That's what we have today. But he wants to go beyond just Noah. So our pilgrim prize ends with Noah. Right. God threatens that there's going to be a flood.
Elder McConkie, he wanted material from Abraham and from Melchizedek. So Melchizedek giving Abraham a blessing. So jst Genesis 9, 9, jst Genesis 14, 15, 17. That's all Abraham material, very important to Latter Day Saints. He wanted JST Genesis 48 and 50. That's Jacob's blessings to his kids. Right. So we have this material about his blessings and prophesying the coming of the seed of Joseph and that kind of stuff. Right?
[00:27:27] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:27:28] Speaker B: So he wanted. He wanted jst Genesis material all the way to like the end of the patriarch space.
[00:27:32] Speaker C: Yeah. And. And it been his proposal was that it would be part of the book of Moses as we have it. Right. And very expansive. He. He would have expanded the book of Moses to 13 chapters.
[00:27:44] Speaker B: Yeah. As opposed to just the. The eight that we have. Yeah. Okay. He wanted selections from the Psalms as revealed to Joseph Smith. So JST Psalm 11, 12, 14 and 24. So we would have. We would have had jst Psalms, which is kind of interesting.
[00:27:59] Speaker A: Right?
[00:28:00] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:28:00] Speaker B: And.
[00:28:00] Speaker C: And he. His proposal there was to call it basically the Book of David.
[00:28:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:04] Speaker C: David 1, 2, 3. And how. He would have nomenclature for it.
[00:28:08] Speaker A: So we would have lost the poem. Oh, what is truth? But we would have gained some.
[00:28:11] Speaker B: Gained some songs. That's right. How about with the Gospels? So we all. We have jst Matthew 24. That's our Joseph Smith. Matthew. That's still in there. He wanted Matthew 2, 3, 5, 7, 21, 23, Luke 3, Luke 12, Luke 17, and John 1.
[00:28:27] Speaker A: That's a ton.
[00:28:28] Speaker B: He wanted a ton of chapters from the JST Gospels in our pearl of great price.
[00:28:33] Speaker A: I mean, it almost sounds like he wanted to Canada as a whole.
[00:28:37] Speaker C: A lot of it.
[00:28:38] Speaker A: Important part.
[00:28:39] Speaker C: A lot of it.
[00:28:39] Speaker B: A lot of it. Well, what's nice is a lot of this ends up in the footnotes in our Bible.
[00:28:44] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, there's the back where it has like collections from the jst basically.
[00:28:49] Speaker A: Soft canonized.
[00:28:50] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, soft. You know, a soft launch for the jst. Right. To use our modern nomenclature. But yeah, that's a consideration. Thinking about Book of Abraham, it's going to be the same. So they're. Well, there's nothing to add to the Book of Abraham. We have all that. We have straight manuscripts. Joseph, history. It would have been the same, but it would have been reversified. And so we would have had actual chapters, not just one.
Yeah, not one.
[00:29:11] Speaker A: It's a little bit overwhelming.
[00:29:12] Speaker B: Not one big giant gigachad chapter, which we get with our history.
[00:29:16] Speaker C: I actually kind of lament that we didn't do this one because it would have been really helpful because. Yeah.
[00:29:23] Speaker A: And even the verses themselves are just massive.
[00:29:25] Speaker C: Exactly. Not only is it like one big long chapter, but yeah, every verse is just massive.
It would have been really helpful to break this down.
[00:29:33] Speaker B: Okay, here's some of the new stuff too.
Elder McConkie wanted to canonize the Wentworth Letter.
[00:29:38] Speaker C: The whole thing.
[00:29:39] Speaker B: The whole thing.
[00:29:40] Speaker A: So not just the articles of Faith.
[00:29:41] Speaker B: He wanted the whole thing, which in an alternate parallel universe where this happened, that means we would have had two canonical first vision accounts.
[00:29:50] Speaker A: Oh, really?
[00:29:51] Speaker B: In the Progate price.
[00:29:52] Speaker A: Okay, so what else is included in the Wentworth Letter?
[00:29:54] Speaker B: Well, we have another. We have an account of the coming forth. The Book of Mormon. Right. His description, Moroni coming to him. A lot of it's describing like the persecution in Missouri. That's a big thing for Joseph Smith in 1842, which makes sense. So a lot of it is the. The history of Missouri and the persecutions and things like that.
This is also the standard of truth has been erected. No one hallowed hand. Right. That's from the wet letter. So we would have gotten that in there. So McConkey wants the whole wet with lettering. You know what's interesting is BH Roberts also was kind of keen on maybe getting this canonized. And we have indication like decades before Elder McConkey is on the scene that BH Roberts is like really keen on the Wentworth Letter being an important source of sort of like history and doctrine for the church. So I wonder if there may have been something there.
[00:30:35] Speaker C: And a lot of I mean, it really has proven to be a pretty important source. Like you said, there's, there's that no unhallowed hand quote that like, if you don't know the Wentworth letter, you probably have heard that. And I mean, I know there were some people who grew up memorizing that. I, I memorized it as a mission.
[00:30:50] Speaker A: Saints. It sounds like no pieces of the went with letter without knowing the whole thing.
[00:30:53] Speaker C: And what's really interesting, the question to ask here is because as you mentioned, it would have meant two canonized versions of the first vision.
Would we have had the same kind of intellectual or faith crisis sort of.
[00:31:10] Speaker A: Stuff happening over same angst over different.
[00:31:13] Speaker C: Accounts of the first vision if people had just grown up with two of them in their scriptures?
[00:31:17] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a great hypothetical question.
[00:31:19] Speaker B: Like I said, in some parallel universe out there where this did get canonized, it'd be interesting to go there and see what that looks like. So that's Wentworth letter. Elder McConkie wanted to re. Canonize. I say re canonize the Lectures on Faith because the Lectures on Faith were in the Doctrine and Covenants. They were decanonized in 1920. Elder McConkey wanted to put them back in through the back door with the pearl. Great price, I guess. Right.
[00:31:42] Speaker A: Interesting. And the Lectures on Faith, when were those written?
[00:31:46] Speaker B: They are written in the mid-1830s. They are canonized in the first edition of the doctrine covenants in 1935.
[00:31:52] Speaker A: These are authored by Joseph Smith, maybe mostly Sidney Rigdon.
[00:31:56] Speaker B: Joseph Smith. Smith seems to have had a hand in some of the content, but we think that's mostly Sydney Rigdon that wrote this stuff. Joseph authorizes their canonization obviously in the Doctrine Covenants, but.
[00:32:05] Speaker A: And the contents of the mystum are about faith.
[00:32:07] Speaker B: Yeah, they are. Yes. Very good, Jasmine. The lecture of it, they're theological lectures. They were designed for the School of the Elders or the School of the Prophets in Kirtland. Right. To help train missionaries. And it's like an attempt at systematic sort of theology on like faith, the nature of God, you know, the nature of miracles, whatever. There's a lot of stuff. I think there's like seven or eight of these lectures. I'm not sure, but.
[00:32:28] Speaker C: But there's seven.
[00:32:29] Speaker B: There's some of them. Yeah, they have a lot of content in them.
[00:32:33] Speaker C: They are still pretty commonly printed. You can get like a, like a Covenant copy or a Deseret book copy. I don't. It's probably been like 20, 30 years since anyone did an edition that I'm aware Of. Yeah, but I know, you know. Yeah. 20, 30 years ago, they were pretty common to circulate.
They're popular. But I do think part of the reason they were probably uncanonized, I don't know the history super well, but they very much reflect a mid-1830s theology, theology for Latter Day Saints. And there's a lot that happens like in the Nauvoo period, a lot of like a burst of revelation after 1835. Right. That kind of makes them a little outdated. Right. And like Stephen said, they were like, they're kind of for missionaries and things like that. So in some way they're like the.
[00:33:16] Speaker B: Preach my gospel of the time lessons of the time.
[00:33:19] Speaker C: Right. And we don't. We love preach my gospel. We. I mean, when I was a missionary, we always talked about how it was.
[00:33:24] Speaker A: Inspired, but it's not scripture.
[00:33:25] Speaker C: But we don't canonize Preach my gospel.
[00:33:27] Speaker B: So the committee in 1920 that puts together the Doctrine and Covenants, this new edition, George F. Richards and these guys, Joseph Ewing Smith, James E. Talmage, they actually give their stated reason why they decanonized it. It's in the introduction to the 1920 DNC. And we have from internal discussions we know that basically it's like these were never presented as revelations the way the other sections are. They're theological lectures that are important and interesting, but they're not. They're not revelatory pronouncements from the Lord. So that was their rationale for why they decanonized it. There's more to it than that. But that was kind of the stated reason why. I think Neil's also right that just like honestly, it reflects Sidney Rigdon Kirtland era Mormon teachings. Right. As opposed to the stuff in Nauvoo. Yeah, it gets a little complicated, but that's the, the gist of it. But Elder McConkey, by the way, Elder McConkey citing them all the time. Mormon doctrine, the Messiah series, his New Testament commentary. He loves the lectures on faith and so he wanted them back in. That makes sense why he would want to introduce them. Now here's the other fun thing. Okay. Elder McConkey, and this is true, he wrote two additional articles of faith.
[00:34:26] Speaker A: Really?
[00:34:26] Speaker B: Add. Only Bruce R. McConkey could get away with wanting to add two articles of faith. Two. Joseph Smith's articles of Faith.
[00:34:32] Speaker A: Got to know what they are.
[00:34:33] Speaker B: Okay, I'm going to pull them up here if I can.
[00:34:36] Speaker A: The article of faith that we believe in. Lots of meetings and long meetings.
[00:34:40] Speaker B: That's right.
Okay.
I'LL have. I'll have Neil read these. Do you want me to pass this over to you? Have them for you?
Read them in the voice of Bruce R. McConkey.
[00:34:48] Speaker A: Right.
[00:34:49] Speaker C: As pertaining to this perfect atonement.
[00:34:51] Speaker B: Yes, Exactly. Okay. It's 14 and 15. And what I do with my students is I'll say, what do you think about this? So we'll read them and then I'll get your hot take on if you think that they should have been included or not.
[00:35:01] Speaker C: Okay, so this is number 14.
We believe that God has restored in these last days the fullness of his everlasting gospel to prepare a people for the coming of the Son of Man. And that this gospel shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all people. And then shall come, and then the end shall come.
How is that for a.
[00:35:27] Speaker B: You know. You know what that reminded me of? That reminded me of the accounts of the transfiguration of Brigham Young. When people heard the voice of Joseph. I was like, is Elder McConkey in.
[00:35:37] Speaker A: The room with message?
[00:35:38] Speaker B: That's pretty good. Well done.
[00:35:39] Speaker C: 40 years after his passing.
[00:35:41] Speaker A: That. Just 14.
[00:35:42] Speaker C: That was just 14.
[00:35:43] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:35:44] Speaker C: Okay. Number 15.
We believe in a premortal life, in eternal marriage, salvation for the dead, in the resurrection of the just and of the unjust, eternal judgment and kingdoms of glory in the eternal worlds.
[00:35:58] Speaker A: Okay, interesting.
[00:36:00] Speaker C: Basically, the plan of salvation as an article of faith.
[00:36:02] Speaker A: And that would make sense because the Wentworth Letter was that before DNC 76 was received?
[00:36:08] Speaker B: That was after. Oh, okay, so that's 1842.
[00:36:10] Speaker A: But still it wasn't really included. The vision theology was not necessarily. Right.
[00:36:15] Speaker C: Well, I think. I mean, I don't know for sure, but I think for Joseph Smith in 1842, you know, the Wentworth Letter is meant to go out to the world. Right.
It's a communication to the Gentiles, if you will. I think he maybe thought that was.
[00:36:27] Speaker B: A little bit too much.
[00:36:28] Speaker C: Too much esoteric. Yeah, for like, as a PR piece, basically.
[00:36:33] Speaker B: And that raises the fundamental question that I ask my students is given the context for what the articles of faith were intended to be, which was a very quick summary of our very basic teachings for a non Latter Day Saint audience. Right. This is being written to John Wentworth. He's a newspaper editor for his friend, who is compiling a history of the state of New Hampshire where Joseph Smith lived. So clearly it's like it's way outside the realm of the insider baseball, you know, kind of Latter Day Saint hardcore theology.
Is that too much? These two editions of. Of articles of it by Elder McConkey. Right. Like, because the way the Articles of Faith have evolved, now they're used very commonly by Latter Day Saints for ourselves, and we do use them as missionary tools, but we also.
[00:37:16] Speaker A: Teaching tools.
[00:37:16] Speaker B: Exactly. So with the evolution of how they're being used, I can make sense why Elder McConkey would want to include these. But if you consider the original intent of the Articles of Faith, maybe they are a little bit too much. A little insider baseball, right. Inside trading.
[00:37:29] Speaker C: Yeah, I was going to say the same thing that, like, now that the Articles of Faith basically function pedagogy for people growing up in the church and how you learn, like just the basic teachings of what we believe, I can actually see a lot of value in having an article of faith that sketches out the plan of salvation, an article of faith that explains that, you know, restoration, the Restoration and Second Corinthians, you know, because those are fundamental, you know, foundational beliefs that we have that don't get taught, don't get covered in the Articles of Faith are hard to fit into a systematic theology, if you will.
But yeah, I mean, could have been.
Not that we want to criticize the decision of the First Presidency to not include this material, but could have been an interesting thing to have and helpful in a lot of ways, I think.
[00:38:19] Speaker B: And before anybody asks, I am not aware of this being available online anywhere. Like the actual reproduction of the pearl gate price, the McConkey progate price.
I know one other guy who has a copy of this and so. And I don't think it's been digitized anywhere. I could be wrong. So this is an exclusive. So that's what I'm saying. Also. Also, no, I will not share it with you if you're asking me. I'm not trying to be mean here, but I am trying to play this a little close to the vest with my research and with copyright stuff and other concerns about that. So. But if you do want to know at least a general view of the contents, I do include it in an appendix in my study edition. So you can look at the appendix to get. At least here's what he wanted.
But I don't reproduce the text itself. So sorry, you're just going to get the teaser appetizer here. But yes, this is an Informed Saints first is the McConkey progate price. On camera well, we've seen so many.
[00:39:10] Speaker A: Changes to the Pearl, great price and them adding things, taking away. And then this was proposed and ultimately rejected.
What's the criteria for changing the canon when it comes to the Latter Day.
[00:39:21] Speaker B: Saint belief, what seems deemed worthy for canonization, at least in the minds of the people that compiled the Progate price, is like material from Joseph Smith that is deemed revelatory or inspired or useful for doctrinal building and scaffolding in the church. Right.
So I have a book on Joseph Smith's uncanonized revelations, right. In the 1920s, the committee doing the Doctrine Covenants, they actually considered canonizing some of those revelations as well. And those don't get accepted. Right. So one of the criteria is, is it coming from a prophet? Is that a revelatory or inspired material or teaching of some kind? Do we think it's useful to have in the canon for important doctrinal purposes? Those seem like kind of the bare bones sort of requirements or for consideration for canonization. Not just Joseph Smith, but we could expand it to other his successors. Right.
[00:40:12] Speaker A: So I know that putting the proclamation specifically aside, obviously having an open canon means we could have new scripture. How likely do you think it is that we will have new scripture in the future?
[00:40:25] Speaker B: I hesitate to prognosticate on that point.
[00:40:27] Speaker C: Sure, you're a bill say, I hope we get new scripture. I do, because there's something exciting about it.
[00:40:35] Speaker A: The heavens are open.
[00:40:36] Speaker C: Being millennials, we weren't around the last time something new was added to the canon with Official Declaration 2.
And so I'd really love to see, I'd love to see new scripture and I'd love to be able to participate in the process canonization, right? With the, with the whole, you know.
[00:40:56] Speaker B: It'S brought before the church and everything. I, I think to that point, Neil, it should be pointed out that canonization is a community process. Right? It's not like the, the prophet cannot just get up there and just unilaterally say, this is now scripture. Like we, we go through, like when we sustain the prophet, when we sustain new canonical material, it's a community gets together. It's also a community that puts this together, right? Like it was. Joseph Smith produces it, Franklin D. Richards gathers it, the saints bring it to Utah, Orson Pratt standardizes it, right? That gets canonized. Then James E. Talmage and others realize there needs to be adjustments. So I think that's also interesting too to realize, like, you can't just isolate this. These books don't just like poof, out of the ether, out of thin air into our hands. It's people that put these books together. Hopefully that also helps members of the church not be so concerned or bothered when they realize there have been textual variants in past editions or in different manuscripts, or there have been copy errors that have copyist errors or other kinds of errors that have been introduced at times. Right? It's true for the Bible. It's true for the Book of Mormon Doctrine and Covenants. Pearl Gay Price Humans are involved in making these books, and so human error is going to be in these books at certain times. Book of Mormon says as much, does it not? If there are mistakes, they're the faults of men.
[00:42:05] Speaker C: You could say we don't believe in revelation ex nihilo. Right?
[00:42:08] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:42:09] Speaker A: And to that other point though, I mean, you talk about how this is a community process and it's made by humans, but at the same token, we've been a little lighthearted and glib about like, oh, I hope we get more canonization. But we know this is like a very prayerful and revelatory process. I mean, we just talked about an instance where an apostle proposed scripture and it was ultimately rejected. I'm sure they took it very seriously, but ultimately had to consult with the Lord and figure like, is this really the will of the church or the will of the Lord for the church? And it's very serious.
[00:42:35] Speaker C: And I do want to add while, like I said, I hope, I would love to be part of the process of adding something to the canon. I hope it happens at some point in my lifetime.
But let's not under appreciate the rich corpus of material we already have.
And I think that sometimes that gets overlooked because you know what, you guys, our canon is massive. It is epic. It is massive. Like, have you, the last time we studied the Old Testament, I decided I wasn't just going to read the preach my gospel or not preach my gospel, the come follow me portions. I was going to read the entire Old Testament that year.
[00:43:11] Speaker B: And based.
[00:43:12] Speaker C: That is, it is, it's, it's, that's a lot of scripture in there that it's actually really hard to get through the whole Old Testament in a year. It's, it's so, it's so big. And you know, I was coming across a lot of Jewish material and, you know, reading plans and stuff for reading the entire Hebrew Bible in a year. And I was, I could really appreciate how much they get to ruminate on the text of the Hebrew Bible because that's their, that's their only scripture, right? They have a lot of other great traditional material that they use to, you know, comment on and inform their reading of it, but that's their scripture. And so they, they have reading plans where Just every year they're going through the Hebrew Bible. And I was a little envious on some level that they get to just focus in on this text because the Hebrew Bible, the Old Testament is very rich.
But at the same time I love that we have so much more too. The New Testament is rich and the Book of Mormon, obviously the Doctrine Covenants and now also what we're talking about, the pro great price.
As much as we all would love to see new scripture, that's not going to happen unless we as a community, we as the Saints cherish and value and appreciate the scripture we have. Right.
[00:44:20] Speaker B: Well said, Neil. This also raises the point that we have a living canon, not just an open canon, a living canon as Latter Day Saints. And I try to stress this point with my students.
This is a feature, not a bug in terms of how Scripture works and how Latter Day Saint scripture works. If you have an open canon, that means that canon can change and we shouldn't, hopefully shouldn't be scandalized or have a lot of angst over changes in our canon so long as we recognize it is from legitimate prophetic authority who have the priesthood keys and the priesthood responsibility and authority to make these changes right in the canon. So I, I'm not saying we can go freewheeling it and make whatever can you want for whatever purpose. There is a structural hierarchical organization that does this properly within the bounds the Lord has set. But that's a feature of our faith as Latter Day Saints in our canon of Scripture. So like I said, hopefully we won't be too upset or distraught when we find there have been changes in the canon.
And hopefully resources like what I've produced and others can help us better appreciate that process and that history to give us fuller context for how it happened, both for your own enlightenment and edification and also so that bad faith actors can't blindside you with oh, did you know in the old Pearl grade, Price had this and it's not there anymore. I've seen this before. It's just not fair. It's a cheap shot. So hopefully this material can help in both of those regards. Right?
[00:45:46] Speaker A: I mean our canon is so dynamic and radically changing. I feel like it is so exciting. I've learned a lot just through this discussion, but I also have a better appreciation for how the Lord speaks speaks to the Church and how he can really speak to us and adapt to our changes in time. So if you want to learn more, the Pearl Grey Price Study Edition published by the Interpreter foundation and Scripture Central and you can get it at?
[00:46:11] Speaker B: Well, it's on Amazon.
[00:46:12] Speaker A: Amazon, Right.
[00:46:13] Speaker B: You can get an interpreter and scripter central will be putting it online for free. So the PDF will be also online if you just want an electronic copy. But if you do want a print copy, best place to find it is just Amazon fun.
[00:46:24] Speaker A: Perfect. And remember to always that you can study deeply and still believe very boldly. We'll see you next time.
